The Mike Wallace-Major Donald Keyhoe Interview
By
Robert D. Morningstar
(Copyright 2008, RDM*- All Rights Reserved)
WALLACE: No, no, no, not hoax, just...
I thank you for correcting me, not just a hoax, but, let's say, misinformation or sightings of objects which seem to be one thing but are, in fact, another. I'm glad that you corrected me about hoax, because it is, by no means, that much a hoax. But, you mentioned that Dr. Donald Menzel, who was a professor of Astrophysics at Harvard before. Now, I think you will agree that he's one of the world's most distinguished astrophysicists. Is that not so?
KEYHOE: I think there are others who are equally capable, but, do not agree with him.
WALLACE: He is one of the world's most distinguished astrophysicists; though, I think we can agree on that. In any case, he stresses, you see, that pilots are not experts of ---, that they, as well, as others, can see flying saucers when it's only, to quote him, "the wrapper of somebody's lunch moving around on the air" end quote.
But, again, let's come back to the point... the most important point, Major Keyhoe, and that is, why, why will the Air Force...?
Why will the United States government withhold information from United States citizens?
For what reason?
KEYHOE: Because they're treating us like children, the way they did it with the H-Bomb at first, and the way they've been doing with other things. Now, I'm not attacking the United States Air Force. I'm attacking a small group in there that has been persistently keeping this from the public, just as they've kept other things.
For a long time, you couldn't even mention the idea that we could be hit by missiles from submarines from the gulf or from both coasts very easily.
I knew that years and years ago and tried to get it out, but at the time was discouraged about it. Now then, you mentioned this... that this denial of these documents. Now, I'd like to tell you something that happened on the Armstrong Circle Theatre. I had requested that those points be in the script and I was discouraged from it at, first by their writer. Then later, some of our board of governors insisted that we had those points included.
So I said, "Either, I don't go on or we have those in there."
They said all right. So the script was completely rewritten. Now those were in the script as it was first rehearsed. But when the second rehearsal came along and the Air Force saw the mimeograph sheet there with Air Force representatives, but according to Armstrong's writer said, they would immediately deny it on the air, even though it meant denouncing their own former project chief.
Now, the source for this is Captain Edward Ruppelt, who was the head of Project Blue Book for two years. And at that time he was considered good enough that he briefed President Truman on these things. He was the top man, rank didn't mean anything, it was the experience that counted. All right, he says these things existed; he put it in a book, which was cleared by Security and Review, in the Air Force.
On December 5, 1955, that was cleared. It's in his book! He has never been hauled in a court-martial. Now, I have here, and if you'd allow your camera to come in on it; this is a sheet from the script of the Armstrong Theater, which was deleted.
This was crossed off, and I was told that I couldn't say it on the air.
Now that was censorship by intimidation. This can be matched up with the other sheets from the Armstrong Circle script and any typewriter expert will show you that...
They ordered to take it out.
WALLACE: I'm certain that people believe you; the only thing is that, the next morning, I do distinctly remember reading a report by you, Major Keyhoe, to the effect that no censorship, no pressure of any kind had been put upon you.
KEYHOE: I'm sorry, Mr. Wallace, that... I know that statement almost by heart.
I said that CBS and the Armstrong people were not to blame for cutting me off the air when I tried to mention the fact that a Senate Committee was working on the secrecy angle.
I never mentioned this that night to anyone because I had promised that I wouldn't say anything about on the air that... to the Armstrong people.
It was taken out and I will do this:
I will ask the United States Air Force to have the Marine Corps put me on active duty for a court-martial if that is not the case.
WALLACE: Major Keyhoe, I understand you have three new reports on file, which in your opinion... you have them currently on file, they're new reports. These, in your opinion, would convince every person in this country that flying saucers are a fact.
Is that correct?
KEYHOE: It should convince a lot of people because of the names involved.
WALLACE: Tell us about it.
KEYHOE: I told your interviewer or in Washington that I couldn't mention the names because they were too high; one of them is a top scientist in this country, whose name would be known to everybody.
WALLACE: But, why wouldn't he want his...?
KEYHOE: Because he's afraid of official ridicule.
WALLACE: He's afraid of official ridicule?
KEYHOE: That's right.
WALLACE: More afraid of official ridicule than a possibly alerting the country to a serious national danger?
KEYHOE: You'd be surprised how many people give us reports and they say, "Please keep my name confidential."
I'll give you one report, which came to us, the name has to be left out.
In 1951 a UFO circled the fleet in Korean waters. It circled it at a high-speed and they launched several planes to try to get a "close in" on it. They got a radar lock on it…that is the radar was guiding the planes toward the object.
This was picked up by radars on 14 naval vessels.
This object circled about... oh, for a half an hour more and then it took off at a speed way over an excessive a thousand miles an hour.
This report was certified and nine members of our board of government saw it, signed it, and agreed that they had seen it, and agreed to the content, too.
There is another report that just came in from four top missiles designers or engineers at one of the big plants in this country. They saw an elliptical shaped object and two small round disk shaped objects flying with it over California, November 11, 1957, at a speed of at least five thousand miles an hour.
These men are well qualified. They know what they see, with broad daylight, not a cloud in the sky. There've been cases, even where the Air Force has shot at these things.
Now, if there's nothing there and, they don't exist, why do they shoot at them?
You mentioned Mr. Horner. The day after Mr. Horner said that the Air Force was not concealing anything, Captain Gregory Oldenburg, a public information officer at Langley Field, refused to let an ad be inserted in the Langley Base Flier, their newspaper, which asked that anybody interested in UFOs, please communicate and form a little group.
He said, "I must refuse to do this, because the dissemination of information on UFOs is contrary to Air Force policy and Air Force Regulation 200 dash 2"…
And I have a copy of it here, in case you want to see it.
WALLACE: Well, Major Keyhoe, I must say that the Air Force tells us... they don't question your motives, but they do question the accuracy of the good deal of your information and for that reason they say you have been, and were they to -- in a sense --throw open, an invitation to all people who sight UFOs, to get in touch with them once again, they'd get all kinds of cranks, hoaxers and so forth. And, you see, they run down every one of these sightings and it has cost them a tremendous amount of money, to no avail over the past few years.
KEYHOE: That's what they told you.
WALLACE: That is what they told me. Now, sir, in a moment I'd like to ask you this: In the past few years millions of flying saucers enthusiasts have become excited about the stories of two men, George Adamski and Howard Menger; both of them claim to have seen flying saucers. Menger claimed to have been given a ride in one, by some creatures from Venus. Adamski says he's chatted with a man from Venus in the California desert.
I'd like to get your reaction to those stories. And we'll get Major Keyhoe's reaction in just sixty seconds.
(COMMERCIAL)
WALLACE: All right, Major, about George Adamski and Howard Menger, both men claim to have talked with men from Venus. Menger claims that he's even taken a ride on a flying saucer. Do you believe them?
KEYHOE: No.
WALLACE: You think they are hoaxers?
KEYHOE: We do not accept any reports of these so-called contactees without more evidence. We've asked them to submit their claims and take lie detector tests. We don't throw them out, we simply say, "We'll give you a fair chance." I think that's the least important part of the picture. The most important part is the weight of evidence from hundreds of competent people.
I'd like to name a few:
Captain Richard Case, American Airlines;
Captain C.S. Charles, Eastern Airlines;
Captain T. Kravitz, TWA;
Robert Dickens, TWA;
Colonel Don J. Blakesly, US Air Force, a Wing Commander.
I could get down a list of, people who know what they're doing and they're still on duty, they're still flying...
WALLACE: Major Keyhoe, what would you like to see done about flying saucers that is not currently being done? What steps would you like to see taken?
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