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Conversations With Ray Stanford (Part 1)
by Ed Komarek



Ray has spoken out about both CIA infiltration into UFO research and hoaxing by leading contactee figures so it’s understandable that he is not very popular with many in the UFO/ET community establishment. It’s interesting that in my earlier years I too identified and spoke out against many of these same leaders for running counter-intelligence operations against the UFO community and the public at large.

Ray told me in detail his personal conversations and interactions with these leaders. Ray said, “One very well respected researcher when confronted even confessed to accepting $20,000 from a well known alleged hoaxer and then defiantly announced that he would soon be paid much more money by the alleged hoaxer to support his claims, photos, and videos, and that it was none of Ray's business.”

(Some may think Ray a bit hard in some of his accusations but that seems to be because he has seen so much of it and we are dealing at his time with simple surface features. Ray says he once asked Wendelle Stevens why he was publishing material that he knew was hoaxed. Wendelle honestly replied, “There is no money in exposing hoaxes.”) J

Regardless of what this respected Gulf Breeze investigator’s true intentions were, I see at least a perception of a serious potential conflict of interest and scientific impartiality problem regarding the validity of the investigation and the investigator’s character and motives in pursuing that investigation under such circumstances. I hope a convincing explanation is forthcoming from this researcher, meanwhile I will move up to the bleachers for the show. J

(Readers should keep in mind that there is much more going on here than meets the eye and that this is only one small tip of a very large mostly CIA intelligence iceberg in which I am jerking a few intelligence operative’s chains and they know who they are. Some UFO investigators should be questioned carefully if they have ever been involved in CIA UFO/ET counterintelligence operations in the UFO/ET field in general and specifically against other honest UFO investigators and researchers. My guess is that the silence will be deafening. J)

Ray also mentioned a well known and respected so called “scientific researcher” with CIA connections whose history goes back to the days of NICAP, when pressured by another person at a 1987 FUFOR meeting, about funding for the joint MUFON-FUFOR 1987 international symposium at American University admitted that a sum of over $100,000 came from a known CIA front organization in Alexandria, Virginia. Ray even named the corporation and told how he had verified that name and the corporation's CIA affiliation by a Ph.D. who the corporation had attempted to hire. This was also confirmed by a retired employee of the NSA, and by others who are familiar with this CIA front corporation.

I have realized over the years how simply pathetic the situation is in the UFO/ET community being infiltrated to this degree, being betrayed and sold out by its own trusted leaders who are being bought and paid for by the CIA-MJ 12. (Ray is skeptical about the leaked MJ 12 documents, and refuses to get sidetracked by public debate on such matters.)
www.majesticdocuments.com

In the case of infiltration into UFO skeptics and UFO/ET investigators groups, I believe that both sides are being covertly manipulated to create a constant state of turmoil and conflict within the overall community. One shutters to think that this same sort of thing is going on not just in the UFO community but with the media, entertainment industry, scientific community and national governments. MJ 12 and the respected scientist Menzel started infiltrating and running counterintelligence operations in the scientific community to dupe scientists about UFO in earnest as evidenced by this MJ 12 memo.
www.majesticdocuments.com/pdf

Naturally all this has left Ray very disillusioned with the UFO community, but he does keep up with developments on the Internet. He very strongly believes that the best route for him is to quietly present his evidence directly to the scientific community using established scientific protocols. If he wanted to, he could raise havoc with CIA-MJ 12 intelligence networks in UFO community that have worked to contain his scientific work over his lifetime.

Ray seems to have a photographic memory and he can rattle off names, dates, places and detailed conversations just as well as he can describe the details of UFO events he has recorded with his instrumentation. In the case of Adamski and Uri Geller he was able to even able to mimic their voices. Ray detailed to me some very extraordinary experiences he had with Uri Geller, that have been published in various publications. Uri and one of his managers tried to talk Ray into working for him because Uri’s powers were dramatically expanded through some kind of psychic chemistry between the two. Ray refused, “saying he had more important work to do than just going all over the world with Uri, working as a "psychic battery"”.

(Note people not closely associated with Ray are sometimes prone to denigrate Ray’s scientific work because of his open discussion of his many remarkable contextual psychic experiences over his extraordinary lifetime. This is an area that I hope to publish in more articles. I have had an additional 4 hour conversation discussing these psychic experiences as this article was being edited by Ray.


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