An interview with Ms. Madelyne Tolentino and her husband, Mr. José Miguel Agosto, conducted by Lucy Plá and José Manuel Rodríguez of the Puerto Rican Research Group, on March 20th, 1996 in Canóvanas, Puerto Rican.
Part II
Miguel: Hello.
Lucy: Hi, I'm Lucy Plá .
Miguel: I'm Madelyne's husband, José Miguel Agosto.
Lucy: What kind of bites does the creature make?
Miguel: Surgical cuts. Perfect ones. If they were made by an animal or wild dogs they would tear the flesh, but no, these ara perfect cuts, as if made by a scalpel.
Lucy: Where on the body does it make them?
From left to right:
Madelaine Tolentino (the Lady who saw the Chupacabras), José Pérez (UFOlogist), and me ( Lucy Plá - UFOlogist)Saludos Boricuas (Greetings from Borinquen).
Click on photo to view original photo.Miguel: Around the throat area or near the genitals. In many cases it has taken the animal's genitals.
Lucy: How does it remove them?
Miguel: It apparently rips them out and takes them, since they are nowhere to be found. It has taken their livers and other body parts. They once brought a rooster which had had all the inside of its head taken out. You'd look at the rooster and it was hollow. It had its head, but hollow.
Lucy: But how could it have extracted the contents of a head?
Miguel: By means of some incisions it made. There's no good explanation for it.
José: Dead animals are turning up in Miami.
Miguel: And in California.
Lucy: Have there been cases involving household animals such as dogs?
MT: Goats, rabbits, roosters, cats...
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Miguel: The cats in Juncos. We went there because she called us. The lady called the Civil Defense, the police, the Fortaleza [Governor's Resience] and nobody, nobody went.
MT: And we had to go show our faces. No one wanted to listen to her. No one.
Lucy: What became of the cats?
MT: They lived.
Lucy: What happened to them?
MT: It made some orifices beside their anuses. Excreta was coming out of the orifices. The lady was scared.
Miguel: She noticed that the cats were [urinating and defecating] all at once. She had two cats. There were three punctures and some of them only had one.
Lucy: What else have you seen?
Miguel: Here in Barrio Quebrada Prieta in Canóvanas there was also the case of some mutilated sheep. Some TV cameramen showed up and when they lifted the goat's foot, it had a tiny little hole. Suddenly, the hole sort of opened and they could see its intestines and everything else inside. The cameraman filmed it all with his camera. It's as if its ribs were missing.
Lucy: What was around the sheep?
Miguel: There was no blood on the wound nor on the ground.
José: No blood?
Miguel: It sometimes leaves them with some blood. The strange thing is that when it leaves them with some blood, it won't flow. The blood remains within the body.
José: It coagulates?
Miguel: No, it's not coagulated and it doesnt' flow either. We noticed at Lt. Jorge Rivera's house, when we were checking out some goats and sheep, that the characteristics were exactly the same. In other words, three perforations and in some cases only a single one running from one side to another. The sheep had been dead for a day or more and were still flexible, not stiff at all. These are the things that make you think. It's as if the creature gave them a liquid that kept them entirely flexible and kept their blood from coagulating.
José: Did they smell?
Miguel: Yes, very strongly. A bad odor.
José: Was it the typical smell of decomposition?
Miguel: Well...yes, somewhat. But please remember that when an animal decomposes the worms appear right away, and there were no worms either.
Lucy: Would other animals come close?
Miguel: No. That was weird, too.
Lucy: Has anyone noticed smells or noises when the mutilations occur?
Miguel: Yes. In the Lomas del Viento sector of Campo Rico we observed the area where the creature was appeareing 3 to 4 days in a row. One of those days, a girl saw the creature walking down in the pose everyone has seen it adopt: on two legs with its arms in an attack gesture. That day she told her husband, who doubted it because it was so hard to believe. The following day we found the dead sheep and goat. We reported to the scene and there were also some Civil Defense elements.
Lucy: What does the Civil Defense do in such cases?
Miguel: Frankly, some of them took notice of the case, but the cameramen from Channel 11 and others showed up looking for evidence. We had a dying goat with several perforation. We were able to check it out completely.
Lucy: Are you with the Civil Defense?
Miguel: No, but as any responsible citizen and volunteer I'm interested, having had the experience of seeing the creature and reaching a conclusion of what is going on.
José: Do you know Chemo?
Miguel: Yes. After we checked out the sheep, we found it had few perforations and little blood. We wished to speak with Dr. Carlos Soto, the veterinarian, who had told us that any dying animal or any one adequate for his study should be taken to his office. He said he would help us out. We called and he told us to bring it in, since it was still alive. When we spoke to Mr. Aguayo of the Civil Defense, he said no.
Lucy: Why did he say no?
Miguel: Because he wasn't authorized to leave the jurisdiction. I believe that in an emergency situation such as this one, the Civil Defense should be able to leave their jurisdiction. I believe the situation calls for more government help in order to benefit the investigation.
Lucy: Is the government not involving itself?
Miguel: I'd say a little bit more now. If they had let us take the dying sheep to Dr. Soto at that moment, we would be closer to the truth.
Lucy: No one wanted to bring it in?
Miguel: We could've, but my Jeep was in no condition to make a long trip. We called Dr. Soto and he came the following day. The sheep died as he arrived...he was able to take samples.
Lucy: What were the results?
Miguel: The samples showed that the attacker was no known animal. He has conducted many autopsies and says that what is killing these animals is nothing known.
Lucy: At what time did you see the creature?
Miguel: It was around 7:00 a.m. I was in my shop fixing a truck. When I turned the ignition over it made a very loud noise. I ran down to see what was going on and I noticed that creature coming out from under the engine. It's worth noting that the pad cover was missing between the fan and the radiator. There was a space about a foot to a foot and a half wide where someone could have hidden. It ran out, gave me a look, and jumped over the fence.
Lucy: How did it jump?
Miguel: It propelled itself upward. It jumped all of a sudden.
Lucy: How did it fall?
Miguel: Frankly, the creature never hit the ground. It jumped and vanished at a spectacular speed.
Lucy: Could you measure the speed?
Miguel: It was too fast. It was like seeing a reflection.
Lucy: Were the fins on its back moving?
Miguel: I didn't get to see that, but when it came out I noticed that it looked like a kangaroo. It was large, like a giant rabbit, but it lacked the tail and the front pouch of a kangaroo. I'm knowledgeble about animals and birds and I've never seen anything like this creature.
Lucy: What were its skin and hair like?
Miguel: Short, but thick and well combed. When I opened the truck's hood I saw a lot of hair and wool in the air.
Lucy: Did you take samples?
Miguel: No, because I was uncertain about what it was.
Lucy: Did you notice any smells?
Miguel: Yes. I thought it was battery acid. I thought the truck's battery was leaking. I never thought that the creature was producing it.
Lucy: Did you hear noise or buzzing?
Miguel: No, none. But the second time I saw it, when my wife was coming along Route 185 in Canóvanas back home and saw the creature for the second time. She told me what she'd seen and I got on the van with her uncle and reported to the scene. We saw nothing at first.When we left we decided to take a look in the woods bordering the Loiza Valley development, since the creature had killed some rabbits there. When we reached the place, the creature floated right over us, suspended in the air.
Lucy: Was it flying?
Miguel: No, not flying. I know what it is to see a bird fly or balance itself. This thing was floating.
Lucy: Did it flap its fins?
Miguel: We couldn't tell if it did or not. It was already around 8:00 p.m. We saw the animal's silhouette. It had human-like arms and legs. It was precisely the same creature but suspended in the air.
Lucy: How long was it suspended?
Miguel: About a minute at a height of 25 feet. We could see it well, because of the full moon. It was a clear night and the reflection [of the city lights] helped us out.
Lucy: In other words, it levitated?
Miguel: Exactly. It was defying the laws of gravity.
Lucy: Was it looking at you?
Miguel: Apparently it was aware of us. My wife's uncle, who was with me, is a fifty-six year old gentleman and was very scared.
Lucy: How old are you?
Miguel: Thirty-two. I was also shocked to see a creature suspended in mid-air. People are saying that its a wild dog o ape, but no dog or ape can hang in the air like this one. What is it we're dealing with? It's a completely unknown creature.
Lucy: What's your take on this creature?
Miguel: In my opinion, it could be an experiment that we aren't aware of.
Lucy: You mean an experiment conducted by humans?
Miguel: Exactly.
Lucy: Have you had UFOs or extraterrestrials around these parts?
Miguel: My neighbor was close to one of them.
Lucy: What did he see?
Miguel: A large saucer with many lights, about thirty or forty meters wide, suspended in the air and making a loud buzzing sound.
José: How high up was it?
Miguel: Some 40 or 50 feet high. They looked at it for a good long while. After some 3 minutes more or less, it disappeared. I was looking toward El Yunque once and I noticed a star-like thing that was shooting colored laser beams sideways. We saw it for a few minutes before it vanished.
Lucy: What is the purpose of the gear Linda Moulton gave you?
Miguel: Infrared equipment. She originally told us that it was from CNN or something like that. She's a reporter and devotes herself to investigating this phenomenon. She's written books and all. She gave it to me as a gift, since we've taken it upon ourselves to continue the investigation after having had our own experience.
Lucy: In other words, you go out every day hoping to catch it?
Miguel: Almost every night. What I want to do is take its picture.
Lucy: What is that you're holding?
Miguel: It's a mock-up of the project we're conducting.
Note: The mock-up is contained in a box. It represents a field with a wire box in its middle, connected with cables to the far right, where it connects to another box. At the left, there's a figure of a man holding a camera.
MIguel: See? This would be me holding the camera...this is a decoy, a bird or a sheep...and this [points elsewhere] is where we were going to ground a battery cable with the positive cable grounded as well, to create a magnetic field of sorts...this is a project which some scientists believed would attract the creature, but it didn't work.
Lucy: What was the name of the project and who directed it?
Miguel: Project EPOCA. It was directed by Linda Moulton and John Caldea.
Lucy: When was it conducted?
Miguel: From December 1995 to January 1996.
Lucy: How long did it last?
Miguel: Some two months or so, almost every night.
Lucy: What else has happened?
Miguel: One night, Chemo, the mayor of Canóvanas, called me at two o'clock in the morning because some people had had a close encounter with the creature that night. We reported to the area. We checked it out and the animals were restless.
Lucy: Who went?
Miguel: Only ourselves. Chemo didn't want to call the Civil Defense, saying that they would make too much noise.
Lucy: What equipment did you carry?
Miguel: A photo camera, since our goal is to capture it on film.
MT: Miguel, tell her about the piece of meat from Lomas del Viento.
Miguel: Oh,right! I found a piece of meat. That was in Lt. Jorge Rivera's home. It was a rather large chunk. It was stuck inside a cubbyhole he uses to store tools. That's where the piece of meat was.
Lucy: What's so special about this piece of meat?
Miguel: It was fresh and covered with slime.
Lucy: Did you have it analyzed?
Miguel: No, because quite frankly, it was unpleasant. No one dared pull it out and bring in for analysis. In another place we found a hair sample with the same unpleasant odor emitted by the creature.
Lucy: What did you do with it?
Miguel: I gave it to Jorge Martín. He took it to be analyzed. He later told me that the analysis proved that it didn't belong to any known animal.
Lucy: What else has happened?
Miguel: We went to a place in Dorado because some spaceships had allegedly deposited some creatures. We investigated but had no results whatsoever.
Lucy: Who told you that a spaceship had dropped off creatures?
Miguel: Area residents.
Lucy: What was it they saw?
Miguel: Mr. Jorge Martín of "Evidencia Ovni" magazine could give you a better answer. Some said that they descended from the saucer. Others say that they came down in single file with slightly taller beings. Some of thei neighbors pointed out that the lagoons in the region would bubble up when those creatures were present. They bubbled strangely.
Lucy: So you're telling me that the mere presence of the creatures in the area caused the water to bubble?
Miguel: Yes.
Lucy: What else concerning the Chupacabras?
Miguel: The creature attacked a Chow dog at policeman Juan Collazo's home. He heard some noises in the lower part of his home. He went down with his service revolver and he saw the creature attacking his dog. He immediately fired at it. His car was parked behind the creature. The creature took the bullet's initial impact, bounced off the wall, took off in a flash and disappeared. He says that it flew off. Something truly incredible.
Lucy: Was the dog struggling with the creature?
Miguel: There was a struggle between the dog and the creature. That's what he heard.
Lucy: Did the creature get to hurt the dog?
Miguel: The creature had apparently shaved the place on the dog where it was going to make its incision.
Lucy: So you're telling me that the creature cleans the spot where it's going to make the incision?
Miguel: Precisely. In fact, when we visited Mr. Negrón's house in Campo Rico, in the La Pir mide sector, we found a sheep with perforations which had a cauterized area surrounding them. There were no traces of blood on the sheep or the surrounding area.
Lucy: Is the slime a constant factor in all cases?
Miguel: No, only in some. There are others in which the animal has no blood inside. The incised area doesn't look inflamed either.
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Lucy: What are the incisions like?
Miguel: Sometimes they're perfect circles.
Lucy: What size?
Miguel: Some two or three inches more or less. They expand, but there's no inflammation in the area.
Lucy: Are there organs missing in every case?
Miguel: In almost every case. They once brought us a rooster that was missing its brains. It almost always tears off the left ear. In other cases it has taken bones from the trachea, the jawbones -- all through tiny holes. I'm not sure if you noticed that a sheep in Miami had part of its ribcage drawn out through a tiny hole. It's incredible. Elieser Rivera and I reached the conclusion that it could be something like a spur that emerges from its mouth. It could be that the spur helps it perforate and extract the organs, fluids and bones from the animal.
Lucy: What's the name of your friend who saw the creature produce the spur from its mouth the day Madelyne saw it?
Miguel: Mr. Elieser Rivera.
Lucy: Do you feel there's more than one creature?
Miguel: Yes, because Mr. Jorge Martín is in touch with us. He tells us where there's been activity at the time.
Lucy: When was the last time you saw the creature around here?
Miguel: A month ago. There was a case while I was in Miami and there was another in Vieques.
Lucy: Has it ever attacked anyone?
Miguel: No, I don't think so.
Lucy: Do you carry weapons on your searches?
Miguel: Elieser Rivera was armed and he couldn't fire. Lt. Rivera carried a shotgun and he couldn't fire. It's as if the thing controlledhis mind. When Collazo fired at it the bullet went out. The creature shed no blood and the distance was only nine feet.
Lucy: Where was the first mutilation in Puerto Rico?
Miguel: Here and then in Orocovis.
Lucy: Have other people seen the creature and confirmed the description?
Miguel: Yes. This thing is real.
Lucy: Is the sketch we have here the one based on your description of the creature?
Miguel: Yes. It was made by Jorge Martín. It's the right one, but the spines don't come out of its head. They start farther down.
Lucy: Well, many thanks for your cooperation and your hospitality.
Miguel: Thank you.
Thank to Mr. Scott Carrales for the traduction work of this interview. This interview is going to be in Mr. Scott Carrales book "Chupacabras and Other Mysteries" that is going to be available to the public this August 1997.
Part I Lucy: Good morning. My name is Lucy Plá and my companion is José Manuel Rodríguez.
MT: Good morning. My name is Madelyne Tolentino Maldonado.
Lucy: What's the name of this neighborhood?
MT: Barrio Campo Rico in Canóvanas, P.R.
Lucy: On what day did you see the Chupacabras?
MT: Sometime around the second week of August 1995.
Lucy: At what time?
MT: Approximately 4:00 p.m.
Lucy: Where was the creature?
MT: Facing my mother's house.
Note: Ms. Tolentino's mothers' house is in fact the first floor of Madelyne's home.
Lucy: What was it doing?
MT: I was helping my mother, since she was getting ready to move into that location. That's when I noticed that a vehicle was about to park right outside the house. I took a look to make sure it wouldn't block the access to the house. It was then that I noticed that the fellow driving the car was frightened -- his eyes opened wide and he started backing out. His attitude led me to believe someone was going to hit him or mug him. It made me go up against the glass window, which you can see, is quite wide and faces the front of the house. I then became aware of that creature walking on two legs, apparently having come quite a distance, from the corner. It would seem that when the creature became aware of the car it didn't want to get too close to it, and stood in front of the window through which I was looking outward.
Lucy: Was the creature aware that you were looking at it?
MT: At first, no. Later, I noticed that it was indeed looking back at me by its eye movements.
Lucy: What change did you observe in its eyes?
MT: It moved them constantly, side to side. It dawned on me that it had no whites to its eyes.
Lucy: What color were they?
MT: Dark grey.
Lucy: Did you notice anything else about them?
MT: They were damp and protruding, running up to its temples, spread to the sides.
Lucy: How tall was the creature?
MT: Some 4 feet, more or less. At the time it was walking like a human, on both legs. Its arms were drawn back into an attack position, as though it was a monster.
Lucy: How many fingers did it have?
MT: It had three long, skinny fingers. The arms were also very long. They were drawn back, but I had the impression that they were very long.
Lucy: And its hair?
MT: Rather short and close to its body, rather well-combed, in fact. I noticed that it had apparently been burned by something. It had some round things on its body and the region seemed ashen as if something had burned it right there. The burn mark revealed pinkish-purple skin, as if the top layer had fallen off.
José: As if it had been shot?
MT: No, no, no, not a shot. It looked like it had burned itself with something, and among the ashes you could see this pinkish-purple skin.
José: People are saying someone fired a shot at it.
MT: Yes, I know, but the gunshot incident was much later -- around September.
Lucy: What about the creature's legs?
MT: Its legs were really long and skinny, and I could see three separate toes...like a goose's foot, that has a little thing between the toes.
Lucy: And its nose and mouth?
MT: For a nose it had two little holes, and its mouth was a slash. It was closed. At no moment did it open its mouth, so I never saw fangs nor teeth.
Lucy: What else did you notice about the creature?
MT: I noticed something odd in its lower back. It looked like it had feathers, something that didn't match the rest of its bodily characteristics. That's when I told myself: "What the heck is that?", because it didn't match the rest of the body.
Lucy: How were those "feathers"?
MT: They were like feathers, but flat on its back. At no point did they rise. Do you know what I'm saying?
Lucy: Yes, I do. Were they joined by some sort of membrane?
MT: Yes, and it looked reddish, like a mixture of copper with brown and other colors.
Lucy: What else did you notice?
MT: It was such a weird creature that I even got down on the floor to see if it had genitals. It had nothing at all -- it was "plain" and sealed. I was laughing and saying to my mother: "What the heck is this? Does it defecate through its mouth after it eats?" It made robot-like movements, as if being controlled by someone.
Lucy: And its arms were in an attack position all the time?
MT: At no moment did it lower them.
Lucy: What were its movements like?
MT: Slow, as if guided by remote control. Like a robot.
Lucy: In other words, neither human nor animal movements.
MT: No. And when I noticed the look in the its eyes, I shouted "My God!"
Lucy: You screamed?
MT: Yes, because it shocked me. To tell you the truth, had that thing appeared in front of me I'd have broken into a run, but since I was behind the glass, and there was a gate outside the glass, I said to myself: "That thing can't harm me in here." Meanwhile, when my mother heard me scream, she decided to go out and get the creature [...]. The thing took off running, I'm not sure if it was because I screamed or not.
Lucy: Then what happened?
MT: I noticed that it was kind of hopping, like a kangaroo. But it wasn't a kangaroo! It plunged into the woods over there, where you see that palm tree.
Note: There is a street facing Madelyne's mother's house. There is an empty lot on the other side of the street, with a palm tree, a wire fence and a machine shop belonging to Madelyne's husband, Miguel.
MT: My mother ran after it. I went outdoors, but I stayed far away, where the car was parked.
Note: The car was parked outside her mother's house.
MT: I was telling myself: "I'd better stay here, since I have no idea how that thing is going to react." My mother was where you see that concrete pad. There's a boy that works for my husband who's always willing to deal with animals and keeps a pair of gloves in his car. He put them on and went into the woods to catch the creature.
Lucy: Then what happened?
MT: He says that when he tried to grab the creature it whipped out what I thought were feathers. He says that they stood straight up and that they were very long spines.
José: Like a rooster's comb?
MT: Aha. He says that it stood straight up and didn't move, The spines changed colors.
Lucy: What else happened?
MT: He says that he pried its mouth open and saw that it had really large fangs.
Lucy: Fangs and teeth or what?
MT: He told me that they were fangs and teeth. He kept on trying to grab it and the thing ran out of the woods. My mother was also in there trying to catch it. There was a kid on a bicycle who went crazy when he saw the creature, throwing broken bottles at it. My mother shouted to a neighbor: "Catch it! There it goes!" But when I looked, and I believe this today, that the creature has supernatural intelligence.
Lucy: What makes you say that?
MT: Well, because when the creature heard what my mother shouted at the neighbor, it started running much faster than it had. Its feet weren't touching the ground. It was as if it had been suspended in the air, floating. Then it disappeared down that other street facing the church.
Lucy: Were there other witnesses?
MT: That same evening, two drivers who run the church buses saw the creature. They say that it's eyes were lit in the darkness. Apparently it can turn them "on" at night. I told my mother: "Look, let's keep quiet about this and not say a word to anyone or they'll think we're either crazy or liars."
Lucy: Where was your husband?
MT: He'd gone out looking for parts. When he returned, I couldn't hold back anymore and I told him. Then he said: "My God, that's what I saw this morning!" He says that he had had an experience with the creature that very morning.
Lucy: Have you had any further experiences with the creature?
MT: I ran into it again on January 4th this year (1996). I was returning from K-Mart on Route 185. I began smelling a powerful odor, like battery acid, inside my van.
Lucy: When you first saw the creature, did it give off that smell?
MT: Yes, but not so strong. It's a really strong smell, like Malathion, poison. It suffocates you. I was trying to swallow and I couldn't feel my throat. I was driving along with my two year old and he started gagging in the van, wouldn't stop coughing.
Lucy: Did you feel that your throat was burned, numb or what?
MT: It felt numb. It's like taking a Chloraseptic tablet.
Lucy: Did you feel any strange sensations in your eyes or skin?
MT: No, just my throat.
José: Did you feel faint?
MT: No, but I felt that if I stayed there smelling that reek, you couldn't tell what would happen. Then I told myself: "That must be the creature still roaming around here."
Lucy: What time was it?
MT: Around 7:00 p.m.. Beyond the Race Track, in front of Canóvanas' Barrio Cambalache, right there, on the right, I saw the creature. It was standing in front of my van as if wanting to cross and enter Barrio Cambalache. I saw that its eyes were lit. They looked like Christmas lights.
Lucy: What color were they?
MT: Like fire, orange. A really shocking sight.
José: How many times have you seen it?
MT: Twice, and I'd sooner never see it again.
Lucy: Please look at this Chupacabras drawing. Were its eyes like this?
MT: Yes, yes. Something like that.
Note: The drawing Lucy showed Madelyne is the one in CompuServe under the title CHUPA_GIF. in the Latinamerica Forum Library.
Lucy: What happened?
MT: I hurried back home. I felt deathly ill because the odor had suffocated me. I arrived feeling very nervous and Miguel, my husband, asked me: "What's wrong with you?" I told him: "Look, I just saw that creature again." He asked: "Where, where did you see it?"
Lucy: What did Miguel do?
MT: He told me: "Well, I'm heading over there because I want to see it in the dark." He went to find my uncle and they both went off to the place.
Lucy: Did they see it?
MT: They reached the place where I'd seen it but didn't find it. They looked and looked, and when they were about to give up and come home, they decided to give it one last try. That's when they saw the creature on its way back. Apparently, after I drove off, the creature crossed into Barrio Cambalache and was now on its way back. Well, Miguel says that it was returning to the place where I'd first come across it. Are you following me?
Lucy: Yes.
MT: Miguel says that it wasn't walking -- he says it was floating in the air.
Lucy: Did its fins move?
MT: No, he says they weren't. He says it was defying the laws of gravity.
Lucy: At what speed was it levitating?
MT: Not a normal one. It floated softly.
Lucy: What speed more or less?
MT: I can't tell you. You'd have to ask him.
Lucy: So then the creature walks, jumps like a kangaroo and floats?
MT: Yes, that's how it is.
Lucy: [Looking at the sketch] Its fins start at the head, as shown here?
MT: Look, in my opinion, it doesn't start from the head, because where I saw those feathers starts from its neck downward.
Lucy: So the feathers run from its neck to its back?
MT: Yes
Lucy: What about its head?
MT: It had less hair on it and its face was pinched, skinny and so forth.
Lucy: Was its body thin or fat? What was the skin under the fur like? Did it look like flesh or what?
MT: It looked like rubber. It was thinner on top (chest area), but below it looked chubby. It had hips.
Lucy: More people have seen it in this area?
MT: Yes, but they don't want to talk about it. They're asked many times, but they say nothing to avoid publicity.
Lucy: But have you been told that the descriptions are the same?
MT: Well, that boy I was telling you about earlier told his grandmother that he'd seen a monster, and his grandmother chided him. His father asked him: "Tony, tell me the truth," and the boy explained what he'd seen.
Lucy: How old is the boy?
MT: Six or seven years old. There's a girl who also saw it, and she's really in shock. The crew of the Ocurrió Asíprogram came here and the girl's father brought her over because they wanted to interview here. She was so nervous that she cried constantly. Later, some other people of the "Primer Impacto" show with Pedro Rosanales (it's shown in the USA) came and the very same thing happened. The girl describes the same characteristics, agreeing in every detail. I was affected for two weeks after seeing the creature. Affected to the degree that when I went to bed I would tell myself: "That creature knows I saw it and its going to come back here to get me."
[Laughs].
That's what I thought, because to my mind, it was nothing of this world. Look, it was neither animal nor human, you know? I thought: "What if that thing has some powers and it appears inside the house even though its locked?" You see how it affected my mind? I thought it was going to come back for me or return.
José: I think the smell you're telling us about is what the creature uses to suffocate animals and have its way with them.
MT: Yes, its like when you suck one of those Chloraseptic lozenges and you feel so numb you can't even feel yourself breathing. That's similar to what I felt.
Lucy: Any other experiences?
MT: At the very same location where I saw it for the second time, a young man had complained to the police about an experience he'd had. He said that he'd been driving along and hit what he thought was a child. He got out of the car and found no traces of anything, but the front of his car was badly damaged.
Lucy: Any other?
MT: Elieser Rivera had something similar happen to him on that road. Precisely where the creature was about to cross where I saw it.
Lucy: That would appear to be one of the creature's daily routes.
MT: Yes. In the Cambalache sector, Lomas del Viento is a really lonely place.
José: Elieser Rivera is the church pastor?
MT: Yes, he's a pastor. He was coming from church when it crossed its path. He thought it was a plastic dummy. He even got out of his van to take a closer look. When he approached, he says, the creature produced a long thing like a fishgig from its mouth, pulling it in and out very fast. And it had fangs. He says it was incredible.
Lucy: Was he also aware of the smell?
MT: Yes, he was.
Lucy: Did he feel pain in his throat?
MT: I haven't asked him about it. He said: "This has got nothing to do with me. I'm getting back in the van." He told me the thing didn't even fly off...it seems as if something jerked it straight up into the air.
Lucy: Did it rise and vanish?
MT: He claims that it vanished as if a magnet had drawn it upward, without using wings. I would really like him to come forward with his story because his experience was truly terrifying, to tell you the truth.
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Lucy: Were there any noises, sounds, murmurs or whistles at the time of the sightings?
MT: He says it made a sound like: sssssssssss.
Lucy: Where did the sound come from?
MT: From around the creature.
Lucy: Any other experiences?
MT: There's a gentleman named Daniel Pérez who once ran for mayor of Canóvanas. He's a serious and well-educated man. It was around the time of the primary elections, I'm not exactly sure when. He had to go supervise the polling places when he heard that "ssssssssss" sound and saw the creature drop out of the sky onto a rock. He let out a scream. He says he was shouting to his wife: "Brunilda, a Chupacabras!"
Lucy: How did he know it was a Chupacabras?
MT: Because he had already seen the sketches and knew what it looke like. He says the creature stood on the rock for a while and then suddenly leaped through two dense trees without damaging a single leaf.
José: Any dead animals around here?
MT: Around September, more or less, there were some dead goats on a nearby hillside. Miguel and my uncle went out to shoot some videos.Mr. Jorge Martín of "Evidencia Ovni" was there with the boy who had allegedly seen the creature. This boy is the brother-in-law of the man on whose property they found the dead goats. Mr. Jorge Martín told Miguel that he would stop by to show us a sketch of the Chupacabras to see if it looked like what we had seen. But the sketch they brought me was the one in which they even add vulgar genitals to the creature. I told him: "It really wasn't like that, you know." I told the boy: "You're making it look like a science-fiction character." Would you believe it even had a pointytail like a devil?! I told the boy: "Sit down and get your mind straight because no one's going to believe that. You've got to tell the truth about this." He said that the creature was a few feet away from him and that it chased him and everything. He says that the creature had made a nest of grass and that a tornado-like thing had been left behind (??). It so happens that when the creature was here, it also left a round thing on the grass.
Lucy: In other words, it squashed the grass into a circular shape?
MT: Like it was making a nest.
José: As if turbines had done it.
MT: Aha. Precisely. He left the same thing here.
Lucy: Does it leave these marks in the place where it takes off or where it's pulled upward?
MT: Aha. That's what it seems. Then Martín told me to draw it, but since I can't draw, I would describe it and they would draw it. I was still very nervous at the time. Not anymore. I can discuss it normally now. We've been on shows like "Christina" in Miami.
José: Were you paid for that?
MT: Yes, our expenses were paid. We also did a show with "Carmen Jovet." We also recorded with "Primer Impacto", "Borderline Paranormal", "Strange Universe" and "Unsolved Mysteries".
José: Did any of them pay you for the interview?
MT: Yes, "Unsolved Mysteries" did, because they did it like a mini-series where we all had to re-enact what happened. The sketch you have there is the one Martín drew here. I signed it and everything.
José: I think Chemo appeared on Christina's show.
Note: José "Chemo" Soto is the mayor of Canóvanas.
MT: Yes, Chemo appeared. So did Martín and veterinarian Carlos Soto. Carlos Soto was involved in the case with the Doberman Pinscher. Did you see that program?
Lucy: Yes.
MT: Well, Soto has had experiences with this thing and he's not covering it up. He's not like the other veternarians, or the people from the Department of Agriculture, who claim that its all wild dogs or monkeys without knowing what it is because they haven't really seen it.
Lucy: What do you think -- is there only one or are there many of them?
MT: To my mind there's many of them. I don't know. Sometimes you think so many things. Because if there's life on Earth, and God made so many things, we don't know if there might also be life elsewhere. We would be limiting God. If God made everything, right? he created the universe and everything in it, we don't know if there's life out there. We'd be imposing our limitations on him.
Lucy: So you believe in the possibility that it is an extraterrestrial animal?
MT: Exactly. Just like we have dogs and animals here on Earth, maybe they might have their own and have left them here to reach out to humans. I've thought about this too, you know.
Lucy: Could it be a mutation?
MT: It could also be. An experiment or who-knows what. Look, we rented a movie called "Species". It would be a good idea if you saw it. The movie begins here in Puerto Rico at the Arecibo Observatory. There's an experiment going on in the film. There's a girl in a glass box as a result of the experiment. They put her inside to kill her because there was something evil within her. So when they're trying to kill her with poisonous gases, she breaks the box with supernatural strength. What came out from inside the girl? It made my hair stand on end. It was a creature that looked like the Chupacabras, with the spines on its back and all. It even sticks something out of its mouth. Why did they make that movie? Why did they make it, and why in Puerto Rico? It was really impressive, you know.
Lucy: What was? The resemblance to the Chupacabras?
MT: Yes. I watched the movie and wondered: "My God! How can they make a movie like that when these things are happening in Puerto Rico?"
Lucy: In other words, does it make you thing that there might have been an experiment in which a being escaped and is now at large?
MT: Yes, but they manage to kill her in the movie. But before killing her, she kept on reproducing. I had the impression that there would be a sequel. Look, a journalist told me that El Yunque was allegedly closed down because of the damage caused by Hurricane Hugo. He told me that the truth was that some experiment had escaped, not monkeys or anything like it. They never found those creatures. The journalist was turned back, but he knows a lot about it because he's been researching this for a while.
Lucy: Has Mayor Soto seen the Chupacabras?
MT: No, he hasn't. But he has taken part in numerous searches.
Lucy: What other mutilations have occurred?
MT: It killed some goats on Lomas del Viento. Its owner was Lt. Jorge Rivera of the Carolina CIC (Center for Criminal Investigations).
Lucy: What is the government doing with the mutilated animals?
MT: I'll tell you. The Civil Defense did nothing with those goats. The Civil Defense director didn't want to take them to Dr. Soto in Vega Baja.
Lucy: So what did they do to the goats?
MT: Well, they had to bury them.
Lucy: What do they find around the mutilated animal?
MT: Slime. The creature leaves some sort of slime. It also left slime on some rabbits it killed here in this allotment. The newspaperman from EL VOCERO kept it and sent it to Linda Moulton, a lady from Pennsylvania who brought Miguel all the equipment, even a radio sation. She had the slime analyzed over there and says it's nothing from this world.
Lucy: What color was the slime?
MT: Greenish, sometimes pinkish. They say that they have no idea what it belongs to but that its nothing from this world.
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