Many saints believed in extraterrestrial life: Vatican Monsignor
by Adriano Forgione
(Editor-In-Chief of the Italian UFO Magazines'Dossier Alieni' and 'UFO
Network') translation from Italian by Dawn A. Bissel
The reality of the UFO phenomenon and its theological implications: using
reason, extraterrestrials are here. A glimpse of their nature and a mention
of the Third Secret of Fatima.
I met Monsignor Corrado Balducci at the Second Ufological Conference
of Ancona, entitled "Alien civilizations: between doubt and reason"
on 17 April 1999. Balducci, a demonologist of the Vatican is a very open
person with a pleasant manner who is quite well known in the ufological
circuit for having openly declared that he believes in the possibility
that extraterrestrial intelligences are interacting with Earth. Are his
statements made on behalf of the Vatican? I tried to examine the religious
repercussions of contact with Monsignor Balducci.
AF: Monsignor, where does your interest in extraterrestrial
intelligences spring from?
MB: I really became interested in ufology a couple of years ago, even
though I started talking about it on TV about four years ago, in 1995.
Actually, it all started in 1959 when I began to devote my time to studying
demonology. As I had to explore fields such as psychiatry and parapsychology,
I indirectly came into contact with topics linked to ufology. I remember
that in the Fifties, there was a tendency to deny at all costs the object
of parapsychological studies amongst the public, some scientists and also
amongst us clergymen. They said that there was no basis for acknowledging
parapsychology and phenomena which were called nonsense and fantasy. To
put it simply, they denied everything. This was reflected in ufology,
which is linked to other frontier topics.
As I collected material, I realized that this generalized denial stemmed
from illogical fanaticism. There must be something there, even if you
just use your common sense, and, using reason, the phenomenon is undeniable.
Strict criticism goes against common sense because it goes against the
value of human testimonies. In recent years, accounts of ufological events
have greatly increased and yet there are still too many people who tend
to pass everything off as nonsense. Of course, in many cases, natural
phenomena for example, may be wrongly interpreted, but it's absolutely
unthinkable to put eveything into that category. Total scepticism is compeletly
AF: And what's happening at the moment in your
MB: I've never told anyone this, but I'll tell you: some theologists
have said to me "Balducci, what are you doing, it's all just fantasy!
", and they were important theologists, not just anyone. Then when
I explained my interest, I defended it tooth and nail so as to say that
it's time to change this attitude because if we go on like this, we'll
end up weakening and destroying the value of human testimonies. This is
what worries me because human testimonies are the basis for our life as
an individual, our life in society but above all the basis for the spiritual
life of Christians, given that the Divine Revelation is a historical fact
that was testified to. God's Revelation is testified too by people and
by the gospels. If we believe in the accounts of Biblical miracles, then
using reason, we must also believe the accounts of extraordinary events
that happen today. It's obvious that we must prove that every affirmation
is based on credible foundations. Above all, I decided to get involved
in ufology in order to defend human testimonies.
AF: On various occasions you have said that
the occupants of UFOs could be more highly evolved spiritually than we
MB: I must start by saying that angels do not use spaceships. As purely
spiritual beings, they are where they want to be and if they wanted to
show themselves, they wouldn't have any trouble taking on visible forms.
So, when we talk about extraterrestrials, we have to think either of beings
like us or, preferably, other types of beings who always combine a spiritual
part with a material part, a body, even though they have a different relationship
compared with us terrestrial humans.
Nowadays, science accepts the existence of forms of life in the cosmos,
even though it doesn't want to take into account the fact that these intelligences
could already be here in our planetary sphere, at least in an obvious
form. How does theology tackle this problem? Opinions in favour of the
habitability of other worlds are held not only by secular scientists,
but also theologists and people who died and were made saints like Padre
Pio. The book written in 1974 by the priest Don Nello Castello, "CosI
parlU Padre Pio" ("Thus Spoke Padre Pio"), says that someone
in Padre Pio's confraternity asked him "Father, I thought Earth was
nothing compared to the stars and all the other planets", to which
Padre Pio replied "Yes, and if we leave the Earth we are nothing.
The Lord certainly didn't restrict his glory to this little planet. On
other planets, there will be beings without sin.".
I can also mention Cardinal NiccolU Cusano (1401-1464) who wrote "there
is no star from which we are authorized to exlude the existence of beings,
who may even be different to us". The Jesuit and astronomer, Father
Angelo Secchi (1818-1866) wrote "It's absurd to consider the worlds
that surround us as uninhabited deserts". And I could go on and on.
Of course, we still don't have scientific confirmation of this particular
However, in the field of theology and the Scriptures we can make some
observations. As God's power is limitless, it is not only possible but
also likely that inhabited planets exist. In fact, there is a great difference
between angels, who are purely spiritual beings, and ourselves, who are
made of spirit and matter and whose soul is limited in its actions by
the abilities of the body itself. This is explained by the axiom that
Nature doesn't take jumps. And so it's likely that the distance between
us and angels is reduced by beings who, although they have a body, maybe
a more perfect one, have a soul which is less conditioned in its evolution.
Probably, not only is this possible and likely but, in my opinion, also
desirable. In a not so distant future, these beings could help us, especially
on our spiritual path.
AF: Some researchers think that this already
happened in the past.
MB: That's an interesting point. It's arguable that these beings have
been protecting and helping us for a long time. Some people have put forward
the hypothesis that some disasters have been avoided thanks to them. If
intelligent beings from other planets really existed, we would find the
solution as to how to reconcile their existence with Christ's redemption.
If Christ is the centre and head of all creation, no world exists which
doesn't refer to Christ, as everything is under the influence of the divine
Word and His glory. And no glory is possible without the existence of
intelligent beings who can understand it. In any case, it's absurd to
think that the only form of intelligence is our own. Other intellectual
forces, different to the human one and constructed with a different type
of structure is not only possible, but extremely probable.
AF: Is your research personal or is it on behalf
of the Vatican?
MB: It's personal.
AF: Twenty years ago, Father Domenico Grasso
spoke publicly in favour of the UFO phenomenon. Was it personal research
for him too?
MB: This research is absolutely personal. The Vatican doesn't decide
anything. We aren't told "study this or study that" but it gives
great freedom of action to individuals. The Vatican will be pleased when
it knows that Balducci too has spoken about ufology. We don't work according
to specific orders, absolutely not.
AF: In your opinion, what are the possible implications
of the phenomenon for our current civilization or for the near future,
if we acknowledge a possible interaction between man and extraterrestrial
MB: That's a question which leads me to think that it would be better
if we knew what these beings are like. I have already gone into this and
I justified my opinion with "likely". What you want to know
depends on whether they are inferior or superior to us. If they are like
us, there wouldn't be many implications, as they could have a civilization
on the same level as our own. It would be different if they were superior
beings. In that case a lot of presuppositions could change.
AF: According to some studies, visions of Blessed
Virgin Mary are connected to the UFO phenomenon. Some associated phenomena
seem to be of a ufological nature. What do you think?
MB: It's absolutely out of the question. For pity's sake, Our Lady can
do what she wants, and definitely doesn't need a UFO.
AF: Two years ago, an article was published
in 'Il Messagero' which quoted some of your statements about a nuclear
war and a celestial cataclysm which will happen within ten years. That
was a sensationalist article.
MB: The truth is, I said that they are two risks we are running. The
nearest is a nuclear world war, a danger that's more real when there are
two powers involved. So, I speculated on who could be a possible opponent
for America, and I said China or the Arab world, but I didn't mean that
this would happen tomorrow. I pointed out that for near future I meant
around 2030. China first has to develop its commerce and industry to the
point where it has enough military power to involve the West in a future
war. (At the time of the interview, the war in Kosovo was already under
way - Ed). The danger could also be that Russia, being in a destitute state, has already sold arms, technology and people to Third World countries.
But I think that however small a country is, it thinks before dropping
an atomic bomb on the USA.
AF: And what do you think the other, more distant
MB: An asteroid hitting Earth. I hadn't thought of that. I was actually
referring to an ecological crisis which is growing because of the increase
in pollution which is faster than any human corrective measure. But of
course I'm not talking about only surviving ten years.
AF: Staying with this issue, in an edition of
the magazine 'Visto' three years ago, you partly confirmed the text of
the Third Secret of Fatima which has been around for thirty years but
has never been backed by the Church.
MB: Yes. There are two things in the Third Secret of Fatima. Everyone
noticed the first, but very few noticed the second. The first tells of
a nuclear war before the end of the millenium. From the context, that's
clear. In fact, the text talks about the use of arms that are more powerful
than a thousand suns. It's clear what arms are intended if we look at
what the text goes on to say: "the living will envy the dead".
This means that the people who survive the nuclear weapons will suffer
The other, less known aspect, is the doctrinal crisis of the Church.
Three years ago, I was interviewed by Canadian TV. I said: "Yes,
the Madonna of the Third Secret of Fatima says this, but no-one has noticed
that she first says that it will happen if mankind doesn't mend its ways.".
So its all conditioned by this previous remark. But I am optimistic. We,
as people, can influence the realization of a prophecy, change the date
and the intensity of the prophesied events and mitigate them. The renewal
of spirituality in the young is a good omen. I mean to say, spirituality
based on the rules of the Church.
AF: Do you believe that non-terrestrial intelligences
could intervene in a possible future cataclysm?
MB: I've already said that it's possible for these beings to come to the
aid of mankind. Anyway, we shouldn't expect help from anyone, it has to
be us who change and mature.
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